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TwoDalesDad

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I am guessing you built the headers as well, Since the only other set I have seen like those came from a master-Fabricator I used to know. This man down loaded more knowledge into my head in such a short time. Fred ..I really miss you...
 

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Great job!!! I have a question for you guys, I have asked a few different engine builders this question and I have gotten polar opposite answers with confidence that their opinion was right. My question is this, do you lose low end torque with a single plane manifold and multi point injection just like as if you had a single plane and carburetor?
 
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I am guessing you built the headers as well, Since the only other set I have seen like those came from a master-Fabricator I used to know. This man down loaded more knowledge into my head in such a short time. Fred ..I really miss you...

I did, ---that's very cool, thanks
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Great job!!! I have a question for you guys, I have asked a few different engine builders this question and I have gotten polar opposite answers with confidence that their opinion was right. My question is this, do you lose low end torque with a single plane manifold and multi point injection just like as if you had a single plane and carburetor?

Good question for my motor guy, I really do not have a answer---but i'm headed to the shop in the morning and will see him, and ask that question, I'll post his idea on that.
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Great Build & thread Mark, Glad to see your getting the responses you deserve for building such a HIGH QUALITY BRONCO. YOU ARE A TOP NOTCH BUILDER. More PICS.
 
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Hey Lovnbroncos, Thanks for the compliment! Since the weathers dumping on us right now, i'm sitting here at the computer, and trying to sort out this mess of pics that I have---If anyones noticed all the pics say rear axle, go figure.
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did u cut your own brackets for the 4 link are did u buy them. bronco looks sweet.nice work.

TallTire, I built them, now places like ruffstuff and ballistic make so many different combinations of bracketry you could piece together any of the combos to get where you need to go. That stuff was limited when I fabbed mine so that's why I built my own.
Thanks
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Great job!!! I have a question for you guys, I have asked a few different engine builders this question and I have gotten polar opposite answers with confidence that their opinion was right. My question is this, do you lose low end torque with a single plane manifold and multi point injection just like as if you had a single plane and carburetor?

my guys aswer was no. With todays technology---better camshafts, more efficient head design, better exhaust, have changed the way things work as compared to years ago when there was truth about the dual plane statement. Through extensive dyno testing, these guys found that there is better power and torque all the way around with a single plane setup. He said the most common problem with people running a spi is component mismatch, ie, to big a manifold, a lazy camshaft being a very big problem, cylinder heads, exhaust, and so on. Here are some dual plane pros, long runners for a stronger signal, overall design works well with old technology, low profile. And some cons, fuel atomization dimminishs from the runner length, because of design there is always 1 runner on each side that does'nt keep up with the rest, the banks pull only from half of the carburetor. I know I missed some of both but this was a lot of info to remember. Crude Dude, If you would like to talk to him let me know and will set it up. He will blow your mind, and he's cool too!
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Thanks Half Cab----more pics
 

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Hey, you just passed the 100 post mark too! Congratulations.
Apparently you're now a Junior Member with brain damage. ;D

Regarding the single plane/dual plane thing, you're right about it depending on a lot of things. But one argument for single plane is that the stock Ford EFI setups are single plane.
They have a larger plenum and longer runners than most standard 4bbl intakes of course. But they're still a single plane. And even the O.E.s go with larger and larger diameter throttle bodies in many cases. Almost always without losing any low end. Can't increase a carb's size by half and still maintain any semblance of good running. But you can almost double the area of a TB and not lose anything if it's matched with the other stuff and the brains are tuned right.
As always, it's all in the "package".

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I forgot to mention, that volume and velocity are still key factors in building good power. But since it's just air moving through there, and the fuel is metered precisely right above the intake valve, the whole larger-vs-smaller thing changes it's dynamic. You can still go "too big" with EFI too. It's just got a wider range before "bigger" becomes less better. ;D
More precision is more forgiving.

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That's what I was thinking too, Mark and Donk. I was on the verge of having a victor jr modded for injectors and going with a power elbow and TB. Started thinking about the drive ability and wondered about throttle response and torque loss with lower velocity. I ended up buying a 351 Lightning upper and lower. Which shop do you use for engine work Mark? The guys I used to go to in Phx have become ridiculously priced and kind of cocky. I often travel through Tucson for work also, would like to come by and take a look at this bad machine!
 

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Thanks for the great pictures! I love how much bronco you still have in yours. I tried on mine, but alot I had already modified along the way. LOL!
 
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DD Fill the cylinder---cylinder pressure, hell yah mister! Crude Dude, message me here on cb---sounds good to me! Inphobic, I tried like hell to keep it a luber----what went wrong! I dunno
Mark
Happy thanksgiving everybody!!!!
 
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